Do I look like I got time for this?
"I’m just stating what I like", she says, after writing a list of what she DOESN’T LIKE.
"Who am I disrespecting?" she says, after disrespecting older gay men and effeminate men.
"…u need to check your insecurities," she says, which is a great line coming from someone too insecure to show her face.
I don’t know about you, but when I go to a restaurant, and the waiter comes up to take my order, I sit there for 15 minutes and read the entire menu like this: “I don’t want the chicken, I don’t want the oysters, I don’t want the squid, I don’t want the sweet potato, I don’t want the salmon, etc. etc”.
Then, after I finish my meal, I tell the owner that their establishment looks old and camp, spit on the floor, and leave.
But, you know, I’m not being disrespectful or anything. It’s just how I show people what I like, and if you got a problem with that, then you need to deal with your insecurities.
I get the whole everyone’s beautiful and you shouldn’t put people down thing, but all I saw him doing is telling people in advance what he is not sexually into. It’s a hookup site, just because everyone is beautiful doesn’t mean he is required to want to bang all of them. If he wants to tell them he’s not into it all at once to save both himself and them the time and disappointment, I don’t see why he can’t. I doubt some old person or feminine man came by this page, felt personally insulted and wanted to slit their wrists because this one particular ass didn’t want to fuck them.
Also that menu analogy is horrible. Menu items don’t try to order you.
I usually don’t resort to name calling on here, preferring instead to use reason and logic to make my case, but in this instance I think I should make an exception and just call a spade a spade: you just sound like a massive, grade A asshole who lacks a basic understanding of respect and of the mediums modern gay men use to interact. It’s been such a long time since I’ve heard the flawed logic you just used that I’d actually forgotten there were still gays in this world who thought such basic-assed things. Furthermore, you should probably never again write the sentence “I get the whole everyone is beautiful and you shouldn’t put people down thing”, because clearly you don’t “get” that at all. There is no difference between saying ageist or femmephobic things on your profile and saying racist things on your profile. Despite your insane belief that these offensive profiles are just saving other people time (yeah because insulting groups of people is so helpful!) and that somehow an app used primarily (but not solely) for hooking up means normal ideas of respect and recognition of others are suspended, there is a growing number of queers who think it’s high time we treat our fellow queers with respect, courtesy, and sensitivity, instead of a long list of harsh, unrepentant NOT INTO’S. And whilst you don’t happen to think any older people (they’re not “old people”, they’re “older people” you cretin) or effeminate identifying people would be bothered by this profile, that doesn’t mean they wouldn’t be. I know everything I’ve just written will wash over you like water off a duck’s back because there’s never a point in attempting to reason with a complete bastard such as yourself, but I’m not responding for your sake. I’m responding so that anyone who happens to read the rubbish you just spat out can see there’s an alternative to your mean spirited sense of what’s acceptable and what’s not. And clearly, based on the likes this post has already received, it would seem most other people would agree with me.
So, what, if you’re not sexually attracted to someone on the basis of age, that makes you ageist? If you’re not sexually attracted to someone on the basis of them being overweight that makes you weightist? Sorry, not buying that. It’s like calling a gay man sexist for not being attracted to women. None of us can control our sexual preferences, and if I don’t think someone in their 60’s is sexy, that doesn’t make me ageist. It means I have a preference, and I have every right to not want to have sex with someone in their 60’s.
By your logic, the fact that there is even a gay hookup site to begin with would be offensive, because by it even existing, all they men are basically screaming “women, go away, ew, I don’t want to have sex with you” the same way it’s wrong to scream “75 year old dude, I don’t want to have sex with you”.
So, let’s say he didn’t have all that stuff on his profile. Someone who he doesn’t find attractive comes by and asks for a sexual encounter… Are you saying that if he doesn’t accept on the basis of not being attracted to someone because say, they’re not his preferred body type, he’s being anti-effeminate? He has to agree to the sexual encounter with a person he’s not attracted to in order to be correct?
Once again, not buying it. Doesn’t work that way. Just because everyone is beautiful doesn’t mean everyone has to find everyone else in the world sexually attractive in order to not be a bigot.
If you think my argument is “if you are not attracted to everyone, then there’s something wrong with you and you must be a bigot”, then you aren’t understanding what I’m writing. This is not about attacking people for having sexual preferences, even if we accept those “preferences” are usually the result of a racist/sexist/ageist system that conditions us all from birth to find a particular aesthetic more attractive than anything else. This is about using language that excludes and denigrates in our online profiles, even though the use of this language is redundant and unnecessary. If the profile above focused ON WHAT HE LIKED (and no, saying things like WHITES ONLY, MASC4MASC, REAL MEN ONLY is NOT acceptable either) in a positive way, there would be no problem. It’s really time for gays to start behaving in a respectful manner towards each other instead of being such major league arseholes in online spaces. All of the “logic” you think makes sense to your argument is deeply, deeply flawed. All of it. I’ve heard all of it before and addressed it thousands of times on my blog. You are basically arguing against me using examples that I agree with. For example, I agree with you that calling a gay man sexist for not being attracted to women is ridiculous. And similar examples I would also agree with. I’M TALKING ABOUT HOW UNNECESSARILY OFFENSIVE THIS PROFILE’S LANGUAGE IS, NOTHING MORE. Let me use another example: if a gay male wrote NO ASIANS on his profile, he would be unnecessarily offending Asian gay males who deal with a lot of exclusion in the gay community. Yet if the profile didn’t say NO ASIANS, and it’s creator received a message from an Asian, he could simply say “Thank you but no thanks”. Or he could just not respond. THE SAME THING HE WOULD DO IF A WHITE PERSON HE DIDNT FIND ATTRACTIVE SENT A MESSAGE. Get it? The language is unnecessary, and NOT using it causes the Grindr user no harm at all. But using that language does have the potential to cause harm to others. This is basic, basic, basic, basic shit here. I created a page called Gay School which addresses these issues and others, you should check it out. Here, I’ll make it easy for you, by providing you with this handy, easy-to-click link! http://endracismandhomophobia.tumblr.com/gayschool101
That would be much more polite. I agree. Didn’t even think about it that way. That and I fell into the trap of once again thinking everyone was being a ridiculous social justice warrior. I’ve got to start ignoring them. But seriously Tumblr is a place full of ridiculously extremist people. The way you explained it this time was perfect. You clarified that it’s not rude because he should find everyone beautiful and sexy, which is what many blogs on Tumblr actually WOULD be stupidly arguing, but that it’s rude because he could simply put up with people he’s not interested in soliciting him, and simply respond that he’s not interested, just like most well adjusted people actually do on dating sites and in real life. Totally, The only thing I will politely disagree with is the idea that the only reason we have sexual preferences is because of bigoted social standards. In nature, sex is used for making babies. Even if you argue that many animals have sex for pleasure, which is impossible to prove, when it boils down to it, the majority of animals pick mates based on traits they find attractive, which are usually the traits that seem on the outside like they will provide the best suited offspring for survival. I’m not going to use that to argue anything about any type of non-hetero sex being wrong, because that’s stupid. There are plenty of gay animals in the world as well as people, and in the end we really do a lot of things much differently from animals any way. In a lot of ways we are the same though. Many traits we find attractive in mates would have made sense in the old system. Fitness is stereotypically sexy because in the wild, strong children would have a higher chance of survival, and so on. Advanced age is stereotypically not sexy because it’s hard to have offspring with someone who is older, and if you do it’s likelier for their to end up being traits in the offspring that would make passing their genes on further more difficult. So, I’m not saying that we all should have sex to have offspring with the highest survival chances, or even to have offspring at all. In humanity, sex is mainly used for pleasure, and that’s perfectly natural, and really preferred at this point with the world being overpopulated, I’m saying that what each individual likes is probably genetic. Society never ingrained it in me to find really muscular women appealing. Seriously, I’m pretty sure they’ve been trying to defame them forever, and I knew the second I saw a female bodybuilder that it was aesthetically appealing. This is only a shallow example, but we are talking about shallow traits here, and while it’s not acceptable to base who you love on shallow things, we are mostly genetically programmed to get “turned on” by fairly shallow things. You have every right to believe this to not be true, that genetics does not determine what we find attractive and unattractive, that it’s really just society, and heck, you might be right, but I don’t personally think it’s likely. In the end, I feel that it’s both genetics and society, and which had the stronger influence depends on the person.